All About Fake Pappy Van Winkle

Screenwriter Adam Herz is irritated by fake bourbon.The crowning achievement in counterfeit bourbon is Pappy Van Winkle -- and some fakers have masterfully succeeded. Fakes spotters including myself have found counterfeits of the entire "Pappy" lineup.


By the way, we're going to call it all "Pappy" here regardless of if it says "Pappy Van Winkle" on the label, since that's common terminology nowadays. (So that's PVW 15, 20, 23, Van Winkle Lot 'B' 12-year bourbon, Old Rip Van Winkle 10-year, and Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye 13-year).


The knowledge in this article comes from the hard work and vigilance of many people, most notably that includes the team I work with. That's a network of individuals from all walks of life, brought together by the whiskey hobby.

With all due respect to the Van Winkle family and their heritage -- not to mention their extremely fine bourbon -- buckle up. We've got a ton to cover.


A few guys in Kentucky make the best Van Winkle fakes. These counterfeiters obtain empty, used Pappy bottles from places like eBay, bars, restaurants, and literally wherever they can. The empties are refilled with cheap substitute bourbon, and then resealed convincingly. 
A screenshot of empty Pappy Van Winkle bottles sold on ebay
That "convincing resealing" is the tricky part.

The seal on Van Winkle products -- called the "capsule" -- is a thin, flexible tin painted in red, gold, or black. These capsules bear no branding or special features, but it's still obvious if the wrong kind is used.

Gold foil with black band Pappy Van Winnkle foil exampleSo, how do the fakers make their own capsules? 

They don't. 

They steal them.

At least, that's the #1 guess. The distillery has stated they keep their Van Winkle capsules "under lock and key," but we can wonder about the strength of that "lock." The first reason is because Sazerac/BT doesn't use "Pappy foils" exclusively for their Pappy lineup. They are also used on non-Pappy Van Winkle products. Buffalo Trace takes the same foil capsules -- for what is literally the most collectible bourbon brand in existence -- and also uses them to seal $29 bottles of off-brand, mystery-source bourbon. 

An enterprising criminal might find that holds some interesting opportunities.

Silver unused bottle foil capsuleFoil capsules come in boxes of thousands, aligned in stacks called "sticks" since that's what they look like. A couple employees could smuggle out a huge supply. Or perhaps a "lost" shipment gets intercepted... or there's an arrangement with someone who knows/bribes the right person at the capsules manufacturer. Regardless, fakers have been getting and using these foils for many years.

In fact, during a 2019 interview, a BT employee who had worked in the bottling hall told me, “There’s a lot of theft that goes on there. I moved (departments) to get away from every single one of the people that are doing it. And that includes a supervisor.” Now, this guy was also involved in faking too -- so that could mean that his credibility is suspect -- or it could mean the exact opposite. We'll talk about him in a bit, but I'm inclined to believe his description here.

Video from inside the limited edittion bottling hall at Buffalo Trace shows production line and workers hand-applying foil capsules.In the Buffalo Trace hand-bottling hall -- where all Limited Editions such as PVW are carefully and slowly bottled -- the foil capsules are applied with a specialized, hand-operated machine known as a “spinner.” New capsules are gently slid over the top of each bottle, like a cylindrical sock. Then, the spinner literally spins a series of polyethylene wheels in circles around the capsule, from top to bottom, pressing that capsule snugly onto the bottle. (Pic at right from a video of PVW 20 bottling in 2014).
That's how they get that clean, tight, professional look

To clarify: PVW does not use “heat shrink” plastic PVC capsules, despite the confusion of many. Foil capsules are applied with physical pressure -- and no heat. PVC is the opposite -- heat, no pressure.

Hand-operated foil capsule application machine known as a But even if a faker has those real foil capsules, how do they achieve that professional, spinner-applied look?

Simple. They buy a spinner.

And that's how it's all done. 

A faker gets an empty, pours in something brown, and 30 seconds later they've got a beautiful, sealed, "new" bottle of Pappy.


Professional-grade fake Pappy has been around at least as far back as 2016. Prior to that, I'd personally spent a couple years warning people to be on the lookout, because the high prices paid on eBay for empty Pappy bottles made it obvious that they were being refilled. But as much as I tried to warn people, most laughed it off. 

So in frustration, in February of 2016 I became determined to prove I was right. I looked at *empty* bottles of PVW 23 recently sold on eBay and jotted down the handwritten, unique bottle numbers on each. I then compared those to new, *full* bottles for sale online. Because if I could find the same exact bottle sold empty in the past, but full and "new" now, it would be undeniable proof of a fake. And maybe that would finally wake everyone up.

It took me all of five minutes to find a match.

People went nuts.
Empty bourbon bottle bought on ebay, used to create counterfeit whiskey.


These KY fakers generally sell in Louisville, where it's easy to find well-funded people looking for Pappy. Go on Craigslist Louisville any day, and you’ll see a number of “ISO” (In Search Of) ads for PVW. The fakers answer those ads... the fakers LOVE those ads.

Craigslist These Craigslist buyers have turned out to be all types -- ranging from a very successful and wealthy local businessman to a naive college kid barely old enough to buy liquor. All thought they’d found a secret goldmine. All of them believed that a random man in Louisville, findable via Craigslist, with no verifiable personal information, would meet them in fast food parking lots to sell carloads of rare Van Winkle products. All under market value, just for them.

Anyhow, those buyers buy those fakes, and bam -- those bottles circulate into the secondary market as they're traded away and flipped for profit.
Stores buy on the secondary market. Restaurants buy on the secondary market. Even though most aren't supposed to, they do.
There's an “expert” bourbon retailer that bought fakes to sell in their Kentucky shop. They even "verified" the fakes were "real."

There's a famous chef who poured a fake at his high-end Chicago steakhouse. Apparently, even his palate was fooled.

Over and over, the same retailers will buy mass quantities of Pappy from strangers, no questions asked.

Over and over, some of the same people end up with fakes, learn they have fakes, and THEN DO THE SAME STUPID THING and buy more.

Please don't be that kind of person. There is no Magical Pappy Claus. Use your head.

Two counterfeit PVW20 that look just like the real thing.THE BEST PAPPY FAKES ARE PERFECT

Because the fakers are using entirely real bottles, real labels, and real capsules to make fakes, they look identical to the real thing. You can't tell they're fake. At least, not by looking at one.

I can sometimes spot them through special techniques (I'll discuss this later). But usually, I can't tell the difference either. I have to open them up and analyze the contents to know for sure.

This isn’t unique to Van Winkle products, by the way. There are many bourbons that I’ve seen “perfect fakes” of, but that’s not our focus here.


It’s hard to know. My personal guess is "only" a few thousand. This will exponentially get worse unless something is actively done to combat counterfeiting itself. Four Roses recently took steps to create custom counterfeit-deterrent seals, and let's hope Sazerac does something similar soon.


Faceless man offering Van Winkle Lot BYes. There are two kinds, the first being the "hobbyist fakers." These people are already active in the whiskey community. They're genuine collector-enthusiasts with a good network of whiskey friends -- and for one reason or another, they get desperate. Picture a suburban dad who needs a quick twenty-five to fifty grand. When those types are discovered, they get confronted, outed, and blackballed within the whiskey community, in a sort of self-policing.

Then there are the "professional fakers." These are the types that usually make the "perfect fakes" discussed here. Some names are known -- people who have been defrauded obviously know them -- and even Sazerac knows some. But those names would mean nothing to anyone who's part of the bourbon community. The pro fakers aren't active in the online whiskey trading community. And of course, they often use aliases when selling.

That brings up the question of "Why hasn't anyone done anything about it?" Which delves into issues far too complex to dicsuss here, and that I can't pretend to understand, but it seems safe to presume it involves law enforcement priorities and best uses of public funds for starters. 

As for myself, I want nothing to do with catching and punishing "real criminals."


As mentioned above, Pappy Van Winkle 23 has handwritten bottle numbers on the front, as does VW Family Reserve Rye. Each bottle's number is unique. When some collectors see an empty of those products, they jot down that bottle number. (This is not the same as the laser code). Then, whenever a bottle of PVW23 is for sale, its handwritten bottle number is compared against the list and photos of known empties. If there’s a match, it's a refilled fake.

This has caused at least one PVW counterfeiter to alter bottle numbers to make them harder to track. Most commonly we’ll see a “3” changed to an “8” or a “1” to a “4.” Short numbers get extra digits added onto the end.

Handwritten bottle numbers on Pappy Van Winkle bottles are alterd by counterfeiters in the same color pen, in an effort to deter discovery.The good thing is, that's made it easier to identify those fakes! With just a little scrutiny, you can tell someone futzed with the numbers. Ink gets smeared, numbers are poorly traced... it just looks kinda strange. Usually I don’t reveal secrets like this — because it tells the fakers what they’re doing wrong and how to improve — but this faker already knows that his crappy rewrite job is "good enough." Because he's still regularly duping new victims. It's a smart con, because those victims are always too afraid to ask too many questions for fear of “offending” and losing their secret magical source.

As a sad side note, Buffalo Trace/Sazerac removed those hand written numbers from the Family Reserve Rye this year (late 2020). They know those numbers were used to identify fakes, and I've heard no reason as to why they stopped this helpful practice. I presume the official explanation will be that the change was to reduce human workload.


Sidney Vincent. That’s been public info since Jan 2019, so I can repeat it here. It was due to a lot of work by me and many other people behind the scenes. Vincent worked for Buffalo Trace in the bottling department (later in distribution). I do not have any proof that he ever stole any property from the distillery, and I’m not saying he did. What there is plenty of evidence of, though, is him buying empty Van Winkle bottles… and then mysteriously reselling those exact same bottles a few days later, suddenly full, sealed, and “new.”

A lineup up six fake Pappy Van Winkle 15 year bourbons.I spoke with Vincent in two long phone calls. He was kind spoken and super friendly. At times he was surprisingly candid in ways that I do mostly believe (as mentioned above). When I finally broke it to Vincent that there was a chain of evidence linking him directly to fakes, and that I knew he'd been lying to me, he broke down in tears. I know it sounds weird, but he really sounded genuine in that moment, realizing he was about to lose his job. He then quit as soon as he could, before Sazerac could fire him.

Vincent swore to me that he wasn’t doing the refilling himself. Instead, he claimed he’d give the empties to certain people, and then get full bottles back from them. Apparently for Vincent, that distinction makes a difference.

As of Oct 2020, I received credible tips that Vincent is still buying empties and peddling fakes.


Yes. But they are honestly very hard techniques to teach. You also have to know when the exact same thing is a "false tipoff" that appears on real bottles. See my facebook whiskey page for a deeper discussion.

Incorrect and doctored plastic WHAT ABOUT OTHER KINDS OF “IMPERFECT” PVW FAKES?

There was a guy in Texas using heat-shrink PVC capsules to re-seal refilled bottles of Pappy (who may still be doing so), and a guy in Missouri. These capsules are easily identifiable if you know what the real foil looks like, and Google can show you hundreds of real foil capsule examples. 

The heat-shrink plastic looks like plastic. It shines wrong and has the wrong tint. And the wrong perforation. And extra holes in the wrong places. And the Missouri bottles even have hand-drawn lines in paint pen to mimic the gold ring that's screen-printed around real foils. 

Yet people still fall for it.


Don’t be paranoid. Just be smart. By and large, the secondary market is very safe. Statistically speaking, you have a low chance of buying any fake....

But as soon as you think the problem of fakes doesn’t apply to you? Your chances of being duped go way up.

Thanks for reading. Cheers all.
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